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That's 'gods' with a little 'g', mind.

While pondering my own relationship with God (mind the capital 'G') of late, I've been pondering the question of how the LDS church views others' gods. I recall taking a comparative religions class at Institute once and being somewhat put off by the dismissive way in which the instructor treated the beliefs of said other religions (and I blogged about it here). As part of that particular class, the instructor was rather dismissive of the beliefs of other religions. Perhaps that is only natural and inherent in one who believes so strongly that his is the only true church.

This brings up the sidetracking question of what a "true church" is and what defines "true" in the sense of "church" rather than "religion," but I won't touch that one right now.

We know that God of the Old Testament is referred to as the "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" (1 Chronicles 29:18). He is the Israelite god, and it is His Son who suffered in Gesthemane and died on Calvary.

This is the god of my own fathers, and with whom I, personally, have made covenants, and I'm not in the market for a new one. Generally, I'm of the opinion that if one has promised something to a god, one should really follow up on that, lest one suddenly become crispy. Also, and more seriously, having witnessed the blessings and all the help and comfort that He has given me, it wouldn't be right.

Okay, so we Mormon and Christian and Jewish types believe in this god. But there's plenty of religions out there who don't. Muslims worship and pray to Allah; Hindus have a wide variety of gods; Buddhism teaches that one can be reincarnated as a god if one is particularly good and develops lots of good karma over the course of many lives.

What does LDS doctrine have to say about these? How about my fellow bloggers? I haven't done any research on this topic, but I can think of a few possible scenarios:

1. We deny their existence and send young men out into these cultures to explain that their gods (or their conception of gods) don't exist, and that they need to worship the one who died for their sins if they want to be saved.

2. We deny that they really exist, explaining their existence away in one of a number of ways, including:

a) That these 'gods' are merely cultural constructions based on human need and desire to worship something in a vacuum where truth has not existed or been restored -- ie, we dismiss the God of Thunder because people were just picking something to believe in because they needed it.

b) That these 'gods' are somehow a transmogrification of God, but that the truth was distorted in some way to make these gods unrecognizable as such -- ie, Odin was crucified on an ash tree (the tree of life) = Christ was crucified on the cross that we might live.

c) That these 'gods' are merely representative of a single aspect of God, and that if you put them all together, you'd have, well, God.

3. We admit that at least some of them are beings that actually exist, but ignore them in favor of worshiping our own God.

I think all three options have their persuasive elements. For example, if the Gospel of Christ is the only way to achieve salvation, then we must assume that no other god can offer the same result. Also, it's possible that the truth, as it has been revealed in every dispensation, has spread and become corrupted through the passing of time.

At the same time, Mormon doctrine seems to support the third option. One of the attacks brought against Mormons in the "Are Mormons Christian?" conflict is the idea that Mormons can't be Christians because they are, themselves (we are, ourselves), polytheistic. We have a God; we have his Son; and there's another Spirit, too. Furthermore, we believe (not unlike the Buddhists) that if we do well in this life, we can become gods ourselves in the next.

So, what's the word? And what's the impact of of this doctrine as we increasingly spread our missionary efforts into non-Christian countries? Above all, is it possible to believe what we believe -- that there is one living God, and salvation is only possible through his Son -- without alienating those who believe differently, or are we destined to be in constant conflict?


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  1. Blogger D-Train 

    Destined for conflict. No doubt about it.

    That said, your points are very significant because we have to be telling people something. One key part of the "Are Mormons Christian?" issue is whether we worship the same conception of Jesus that others do. I'd argue that we basically do, but that there's no homogenous concept of Christ in the remainder of Christendom either. So, when we do missionary work among other Christians, we have to engage their concept of Christ, acknowledge the good in their lives (or we'd be encouraging them to deny the truth that they had found), and show how our Christ most fully realizes the best desires of their hearts.

    The same is true in non-Christian or atheist missionary work. We've got to show how the plan of salvation accomodates the true principles found elsewhere. We've got to show how certain philosophies and ideas that are truthful are found in our lives. In short, missionary work isn't about lecturing. It's about preaching the word of reconciliation (2 Cor. 5). Different people have different things that they need to reconcile. Helping them to see that involves helping them to see what they're doing right, perhaps more than what they're doing wrong.

  2. Anonymous Anonymous 

    Interesting comment. Yet, one wonders... Why the assertion at the end that worship of the gods of another religion, or of no god at all is something 'wrong'?

    Should one be so arrogant as to blindly believe that there can be/is only one true religion, and that one can never be wrong about precepts established by that religion?

    Ah, but I forget. We are talking about practitioners of a religion that in its recent past killed people for proposing that the earth was neither flat, nor the center of the universe.

  3. Blogger Arwyn 

    A little bit of conflict never hurt anyone, D-train. Er. Except the people that get killed by it. I do hope this sparks a discussion, though, as I am honestly curious what people think of the issue.

    Anonymous:

    I'm not sure what 'assertion' you're talking about. Nowhere do I claim that as a fact; I merely use it as an if/then statement to set up my real question.

    In other words, I'm not asserting that worshiping other religions' gods, or no god at all, is 'wrong', or that other people are wrong to do it. I'm looking at this from a Mormon perspective, and the Mormon conception of the world is that ours is the one completely true religions while others lack completeness. From that perspective, it follows that worshiping any other god or no god at all is, in fact, 'wrong' after a manner. And that's what makes this question all the more interesting.

    Also, I'm interested to hear you explain how believing only one religion to be true is 'arrogant'. Isn't it almost a requirement that if you believe one religion to be true, you must necessarily believe that others (which preach opposite things) are false?

  4. Anonymous Anonymous 

    arwyn: My original comments were not about the post, which I thought posed a open-ended and thought-provoking question. I look forward to hearing more opinions about it. My comments were directed at the first comment in the thread by 'd-train'.

  5. Blogger Arwyn 

    Ah. Sorry for misinterpreting that, Anon.

    Seems to me that D-Train is addressing my final question, regarding how we can approach missionary work. Perhaps he will explain more.

  6. Blogger D-Train 

    That's dissent for you, anonymous. If I believe something to be true, I believe that all other ideas that contradict it are false.

    I'll quote you:

    "Should one be so arrogant as to blindly believe that there can be/is only one true religion, and that one can never be wrong about precepts established by that religion?"

    In a nutshell, if this is arrogance, make me arrogant. I agree that such strong convictions can often lead to intolerance, but tolerance does not require one to take no position at all. Indeed, tolerance cannot occur unless you do have your own position (how can I tolerate people that agree with me? How can I tolerate people with whom I have no potential disagreement?)

    It is certainly possible that I (and my Church) are wrong about theological issues. Nevertheless, how can we ever get to the point of identifying when and where I am in error unless we have a debate about it? And how can we have a debate unless I state my views unequivocally?

    I would like to argue that I don't "blindly" believe in the faith I've accepted. I've got data informing my decision, just as I presume that you have some information informing your disagreement with it.

    I also don't think it's acceptable to delegitimize my views as a Latter-Day Saint by assuming that I'm part and parcel of the groups that conducted the Inquisition. I may be wrong, but not because of overzealous Spanish Catholics.

  7. Blogger D-Train 

    Anonymous,

    I may have missed one thing that you had trouble with. My assertion at the end of the original comment is more problematic than I suggested in my reply to you. I don't mean to suggest that LDS doctrine has every answer or that LDS people are "right", while others are "wrong".

    I certainly defend the idea that our doctrine is the most correct that I know, but your point is well taken that this can easily lead to self righteousness and pride. One isn't good or righteous because of a doctrine, one is good or righteous because of the desires of one's heart.

  8. Anonymous Anonymous 

    d-train: As even my own admittedly lackadaisical study of history shows, religion as a construct of man has been repeatedly overthrown.

    Religion as we see it today, is almost entirely a "religion of victors". Every war or conflict in our turbulent past imposes the religion of the victors upon an increasing sphere of influence, while subjugating local beliefs. In today's world.. I give you Islam.

    And yet, at every point, history has found millions fervently believing in every single god that came their way, from the gods of thunder and lightning, to the Father of Christ. The only constant(if one may call it that) has been the belief of a power outside human perception.

    While my intention was not to tar you with the same brush as the Spanish Catholics, it was perhaps a less than gentle reminder that even in the name of Christ, many millions have believed as strongly as you have. And that their unerringly blind acceptance of the dictates of the religion(or more often, the commands of those that interpret those dictates) has led to the most terrible consequences. If only we could all learn from history...

  9. Blogger D-Train 

    Anonymous,

    Your point is well taken that the interpretation of religious commands should be grounded in history.

    I do think, however, that missionary work and "religion of the victor" are substantively different. Missionary work can be seen as a form of civic discourse: I share a set of views that I believe to be persuasive, you share yours, we attempt to reconcile. Respect for the beliefs of locals does not mean that one should do nothing to confront those beliefs when one believes them to be incorrect. I agree 100% with you that this confrontation should never take the form of violence or coercion, but should rely on discourse and discussion. It's unfortunate that so many have abused religion in this way.

    It's so true that religion is a construct and that many of these frameworks have been overthrown or delegitimized. As you note, there is a consistent human tendency to seek the supernatural. I would merely suggest that religion and theology represent the attempt of man to understand these things. I certainly don't contend that I have all the answers, but I do think that the Church teaches true principles and that it represents a very good start toward an understanding of eternity.

    I'll say again, though, that faith is never an excuse for philosophy with a club.

  10. Blogger Arwyn 

    Anon wistfully suggests: "If only we could all learn from history..."

    I agree wholeheartedlyy. If only we could learn from history that a firm faith in a Supreme Being (whoever he or she may be) has led to many, many kind deeds and good works.

    If only we could learn from history that belief in words of peace and kindness -- like those taught by Christ, for example, or by the Buddha, or take your pick of wise men and women -- lead to the existence of people like Mother Theresa.

    Yes, Anon. I agree. We should learn from history.

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